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Phenomena of the Mendocino Mountains
Phenomena of the Mendocino Mountains
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Re: Phenomena of the Mendocino Mountains
My name is Frank Atkins, and I am raising money to fund the documentary film The Shaver Mystery: Old Pieta... And my team and I have solved the Mystery... The legend first appeared in Amazing Stories 1946 in the Editorial section. In a letter titled Lets find this cave by a man named Ed John of (at the time) 475 fell St San Francisco... And make no mistake folks we have found every thing in the letter and have pictures to prove it... And we have found the cave that at the time Mr John had not even found. (Though he did find it later) This was no hoax folks.
Using clues that Mr John left behind I met a man from an old radio forum who got a letter from Mr John alerting him to the fact that he did in fact find the cave. He described the cave as a doorway to another dimension... In closing Mr John added He believed you could go in but he wasn't sure if you could come back... So in closing I will lead the expedition into possibly another dimension...
Risks and challenges
Well its not an easy hike, the entrance is inset on a cliff side and aside from the dangers of descending into a cave by rope and climbing gear were not sure exactly what to expect on the inside... What creatures or beings alien or fallen angel if you will. So I think one of the challenges would be of course surviving an encounter with one of the afore mentioned beings and live to show the world...
Now I have the most confidence that God has had a hand in helping me find and solve this mystery and I believe it is his will and I think it will definetly be a sort of discovery that could change the whole theory of Hollow Earth at the very least prove its existence and show the world that we are not alone... And I am fully prepared to see this through no matter what happens, its for the good of mankind science and evolution Thank you For your time.
Re: Phenomena of the Mendocino Mountains
I wonder why he cancelled his documentary plans. I'm not finding much on Atkins.
There's always the possibility that he found out that his lead was a dead end, literally. Mendocino is 600 miles from the Cucamonga Wilderness. Hm.
There's always the possibility that he found out that his lead was a dead end, literally. Mendocino is 600 miles from the Cucamonga Wilderness. Hm.
Re: Phenomena of the Mendocino Mountains
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The following account, taken from the May, 1946 issue of AMAZING STORIES magazine (pp. 171-173) seems to contain information which would explain many of the 'missing pieces' of the overall 'Men In Black' phenomena. At least some of the 'MIB' have been variously described as oriental or 'androidal' like beings, although as John Keel has stated, others seem to portray reptilian characteristics. Abductee Christa Tilton allegedly encountered some 'MIBs' in a black automobile within Boynton Canyon, near Sedona, Arizona (a reported base site).
She described them as follows: "The men did not look right. Their faces had no expression on them whatsoever. They looked like they were wearing chalky tan makeup. Their movements were robot-like and unearthly." The AMAZING STORIES letter, which was quite lengthy and excerpts of which we quote below, was submitted by a Mr. Edward John of (at the time) 475 Fell St., San Francisco, CA.:
"Sirs... I have enjoyed your stories for many years as I have read AMAZING since the first issue back in 1928 if I remember right.
"...I think I can show you an entrance to this subterranean city that he (Shaver) has written about several issues back. Here is what happened to me and you may judge for yourself.
In 1931 my mother and I took up a section of land as a cattle raising home- stead from the U.S. Government and naturally it was not a choice piece... a person who turned out to be our nearest neighbor gave us some hints and as the place was only six miles from his we stayed at his ranch until we built our house. Then we moved into our own and all in all we stayed there about two years before we quite; and now I will relate the things that caused us to quit, which at the time I did not know much about, but since Mr. Shaver wrote, now I know and marvel that we managed to stand two years without getting killed by these things from below.
"As a note of interest I have had to use 30,000 rounds of ammunition in the period and perhaps that is why we are still here. At night I would sit up fully dressed all night with a rifle in my hands, ready, and an extra one by my side. In about five hours after dark I would hear things moving outside the house and after a while something would try to open the door quietly and I would wait until I saw the knob turn, then let go a clip right through the door and then pull it open and look around outside and there was nothing to be seen. After a couple of nights like that, that performance would stop and something new would be tried.
"There are too many incidents to be told in one letter, the best one was the two disappearing automobiles, which happened at about ten at night over at the neighbor's place. It was as follows: the neighbor and we were sitting on the porch after supper when he saw headlights come over the hill to the fence then along the fence for about half a mile, then go out and that was all that night. So next morning we went to the trail along the fence and there were tire tracks of seven inch width tires and they went along the fence into the box canyon and right up against a smooth boulder about 20 feet in diameter and ended there.
Now the car could not turn around anywhere in that place because the road is a trail five feet wide and one side is against our neighbor's fence, which was not damaged and the other was a steep hill that no car could even make in compound low. You know, we have a few mountains here, and as far as backing out I tried that myself in the daytime with help and I could not steer a straight enough path without crossing my other marks so they did not back out or we would have trailed them as my neighbor has lived around there since 1848 and he sure knew his tracking. We never did get an answer to the question of where did the cars go.
"The cars were very large and black and very heavy and now that I compare them they were about twenty years ahead of anything I have ever seen anywhere and I had worked in the auto business for about five years before we took up the land. They were silent, smooth, no wavering of the lights and the trail is extremely rough; in places it has hollows a yard deep, but these cars went through at about 25 mph, and it would even wreck a jeep to do that, so you figure it out and let me know the answer if you can. By wavering of lights, I mean that the beams were steady and not flashing up and down as an ordinary car would do when a rough road is traveled.
"I have been away from there since 1933, but just about three months ago, I drove through with a friend for safety and my place is razed to the ground and everything that was made by human hands has been carried off -- even the old tin cans, and the place would not be noticed unless you knew where is was. The Coast and Geodetic survey had a marker near my house in the front yard and even that is gone; who would want to take a concrete marker and carry it away?
"...after two weeks, you can hear insects running on the ground, (also) forest fires will not burn there. They burnt 250,000 acres, then burnt all around this area; and that stopped the forest rangers. They never could understand because most of it is on the slope of a mountain and it should have gone, but they saw that the wind came down and blew from the top down and blew North, South, East and West at once and that was the only time that the wind ever blew there.
"Also you can detect an ATMOSPHERE of FEAR within 30 miles of the area and you will not get a statement from anyone who lives around there and the people in the valleys are afraid of the people in the hills. One farmer erected 20 foot barbed wire fences and a heavy gate across the road that leads to my old place. The gate would take a tank to knock down, so maybe there is something there, after all. (Note: Richard Toronto reprinted a news article in his SHAVERTRON newsletter concerning a Krishna Sect temple that had been built on a mountain BETWEEN Hopland and Lakeport, California -- the same area that Edward John refers to. This sect had come under Federal scrutiny when it was discovered that they had been stockpiling weapons for some unknown purpose. Interesting... - Branton)
"It is located 110 miles north of San Francisco in Mendocino county and is directly on the old Pieta toll road that ran between Hopland and Lakeport in Lake county of which Clear Lake is quite a summer resort. If you care to look it up on a map get a good auto road map and look due south off the road midway between towns and you will note an area with no roads bounded by Sonoma Lake and lower Mendocino counties and there is it. If you wish to go there, be sure that enough people know where you went. Maybe they will be able to find you. There have been several disappearances along that stretch of road, even trucks have vanished. All the U.S. Government's.
"The U.S. Government has noted the area as rough, unsurveyable and UNEXPLORED...
"Personally I do not care to go near the place, but if there is some way of driving the things out I would help if I can so that someone else could live there safely.
"...Also I forgot to mention there is a cave on the property that has steps leading down and there is no sound when a rock is thrown in. I have never seen it, but I understand that it is there... Also, several people (in the area) have died of heart failure and some have gone insane, I found out later.
"I think the thing that saved us was the fact that I am not surprised at anything and that I am quick to shoot and I can shoot without sighting and by ear and not having the THOUGHT of shooting fixed SO THAT the things would be warned. After that place, I was able to outshoot U.S. Marine sharpshooters. I tried competing in a match and I just never missed any target at any range. If I could see it, I could hit it, 5 out of 5. I have tried practice machine guns at plane models and I hit 3 out of 5 at speeds up to 700 mph scale without using the sights. So the old ranch gave me something worthwhile after all.
"Due to my physical condition, I cannot get into any armed forces, so that talent is wasted, for you see I have a bad leg and cannot walk more than a mile at a time. Since I left the ranch I have been in the radio business and have not owned a gun since '34, because as long as I stay away from there I don't need one..."
An interesting post-script to this story. Several years following this incident, some people who had befriended Edward John stated that he claimed to know of an man who was not from this planet. He was a radio expert in the Navy and, according to Mr. John, he was born on a world with no temperate zone but where the tropics and the arctic regions were almost adjacent to each other. Still later, others made references to Mr. John as having actually met up with the 'space brothers', essentially becoming another 'contactee' like those who frequented California during the late 1950's and early 1960's.
Aside from the area referred to by Edward John, there are apparently other "danger zones" in different parts of the world that have been associated with underground phenomena.
The following account, taken from the May, 1946 issue of AMAZING STORIES magazine (pp. 171-173) seems to contain information which would explain many of the 'missing pieces' of the overall 'Men In Black' phenomena. At least some of the 'MIB' have been variously described as oriental or 'androidal' like beings, although as John Keel has stated, others seem to portray reptilian characteristics. Abductee Christa Tilton allegedly encountered some 'MIBs' in a black automobile within Boynton Canyon, near Sedona, Arizona (a reported base site).
She described them as follows: "The men did not look right. Their faces had no expression on them whatsoever. They looked like they were wearing chalky tan makeup. Their movements were robot-like and unearthly." The AMAZING STORIES letter, which was quite lengthy and excerpts of which we quote below, was submitted by a Mr. Edward John of (at the time) 475 Fell St., San Francisco, CA.:
"Sirs... I have enjoyed your stories for many years as I have read AMAZING since the first issue back in 1928 if I remember right.
"...I think I can show you an entrance to this subterranean city that he (Shaver) has written about several issues back. Here is what happened to me and you may judge for yourself.
In 1931 my mother and I took up a section of land as a cattle raising home- stead from the U.S. Government and naturally it was not a choice piece... a person who turned out to be our nearest neighbor gave us some hints and as the place was only six miles from his we stayed at his ranch until we built our house. Then we moved into our own and all in all we stayed there about two years before we quite; and now I will relate the things that caused us to quit, which at the time I did not know much about, but since Mr. Shaver wrote, now I know and marvel that we managed to stand two years without getting killed by these things from below.
"As a note of interest I have had to use 30,000 rounds of ammunition in the period and perhaps that is why we are still here. At night I would sit up fully dressed all night with a rifle in my hands, ready, and an extra one by my side. In about five hours after dark I would hear things moving outside the house and after a while something would try to open the door quietly and I would wait until I saw the knob turn, then let go a clip right through the door and then pull it open and look around outside and there was nothing to be seen. After a couple of nights like that, that performance would stop and something new would be tried.
"There are too many incidents to be told in one letter, the best one was the two disappearing automobiles, which happened at about ten at night over at the neighbor's place. It was as follows: the neighbor and we were sitting on the porch after supper when he saw headlights come over the hill to the fence then along the fence for about half a mile, then go out and that was all that night. So next morning we went to the trail along the fence and there were tire tracks of seven inch width tires and they went along the fence into the box canyon and right up against a smooth boulder about 20 feet in diameter and ended there.
Now the car could not turn around anywhere in that place because the road is a trail five feet wide and one side is against our neighbor's fence, which was not damaged and the other was a steep hill that no car could even make in compound low. You know, we have a few mountains here, and as far as backing out I tried that myself in the daytime with help and I could not steer a straight enough path without crossing my other marks so they did not back out or we would have trailed them as my neighbor has lived around there since 1848 and he sure knew his tracking. We never did get an answer to the question of where did the cars go.
"The cars were very large and black and very heavy and now that I compare them they were about twenty years ahead of anything I have ever seen anywhere and I had worked in the auto business for about five years before we took up the land. They were silent, smooth, no wavering of the lights and the trail is extremely rough; in places it has hollows a yard deep, but these cars went through at about 25 mph, and it would even wreck a jeep to do that, so you figure it out and let me know the answer if you can. By wavering of lights, I mean that the beams were steady and not flashing up and down as an ordinary car would do when a rough road is traveled.
"I have been away from there since 1933, but just about three months ago, I drove through with a friend for safety and my place is razed to the ground and everything that was made by human hands has been carried off -- even the old tin cans, and the place would not be noticed unless you knew where is was. The Coast and Geodetic survey had a marker near my house in the front yard and even that is gone; who would want to take a concrete marker and carry it away?
"...after two weeks, you can hear insects running on the ground, (also) forest fires will not burn there. They burnt 250,000 acres, then burnt all around this area; and that stopped the forest rangers. They never could understand because most of it is on the slope of a mountain and it should have gone, but they saw that the wind came down and blew from the top down and blew North, South, East and West at once and that was the only time that the wind ever blew there.
"Also you can detect an ATMOSPHERE of FEAR within 30 miles of the area and you will not get a statement from anyone who lives around there and the people in the valleys are afraid of the people in the hills. One farmer erected 20 foot barbed wire fences and a heavy gate across the road that leads to my old place. The gate would take a tank to knock down, so maybe there is something there, after all. (Note: Richard Toronto reprinted a news article in his SHAVERTRON newsletter concerning a Krishna Sect temple that had been built on a mountain BETWEEN Hopland and Lakeport, California -- the same area that Edward John refers to. This sect had come under Federal scrutiny when it was discovered that they had been stockpiling weapons for some unknown purpose. Interesting... - Branton)
"It is located 110 miles north of San Francisco in Mendocino county and is directly on the old Pieta toll road that ran between Hopland and Lakeport in Lake county of which Clear Lake is quite a summer resort. If you care to look it up on a map get a good auto road map and look due south off the road midway between towns and you will note an area with no roads bounded by Sonoma Lake and lower Mendocino counties and there is it. If you wish to go there, be sure that enough people know where you went. Maybe they will be able to find you. There have been several disappearances along that stretch of road, even trucks have vanished. All the U.S. Government's.
"The U.S. Government has noted the area as rough, unsurveyable and UNEXPLORED...
"Personally I do not care to go near the place, but if there is some way of driving the things out I would help if I can so that someone else could live there safely.
"...Also I forgot to mention there is a cave on the property that has steps leading down and there is no sound when a rock is thrown in. I have never seen it, but I understand that it is there... Also, several people (in the area) have died of heart failure and some have gone insane, I found out later.
"I think the thing that saved us was the fact that I am not surprised at anything and that I am quick to shoot and I can shoot without sighting and by ear and not having the THOUGHT of shooting fixed SO THAT the things would be warned. After that place, I was able to outshoot U.S. Marine sharpshooters. I tried competing in a match and I just never missed any target at any range. If I could see it, I could hit it, 5 out of 5. I have tried practice machine guns at plane models and I hit 3 out of 5 at speeds up to 700 mph scale without using the sights. So the old ranch gave me something worthwhile after all.
"Due to my physical condition, I cannot get into any armed forces, so that talent is wasted, for you see I have a bad leg and cannot walk more than a mile at a time. Since I left the ranch I have been in the radio business and have not owned a gun since '34, because as long as I stay away from there I don't need one..."
An interesting post-script to this story. Several years following this incident, some people who had befriended Edward John stated that he claimed to know of an man who was not from this planet. He was a radio expert in the Navy and, according to Mr. John, he was born on a world with no temperate zone but where the tropics and the arctic regions were almost adjacent to each other. Still later, others made references to Mr. John as having actually met up with the 'space brothers', essentially becoming another 'contactee' like those who frequented California during the late 1950's and early 1960's.
Aside from the area referred to by Edward John, there are apparently other "danger zones" in different parts of the world that have been associated with underground phenomena.
Re: Phenomena of the Mendocino Mountains
30,000 rounds in two years averages 41 shots a day. I hope he wore proper ear protection.
I hear a lot about Ed John. Ye Ed used to talk about him too. Mysterious character. I wonder why he would leave a rural area to go live in San Francisco. I would like to think he finally found peace, but given his involvement with the occult, I don't expect the best of outcomes.
Ed John's tales of mysterious beings trying to invade his home remind me of Brenton Sawin's stories about Deros invading homes and torturing people. I don't know that the things that do that are Deros. To the best of my knowledge they don't leave the underworld (due to Ray Guards) except by accident but I could be very wrong. Then again, they can and do project images and ideas into the minds of surface dwellers.
I hear a lot about Ed John. Ye Ed used to talk about him too. Mysterious character. I wonder why he would leave a rural area to go live in San Francisco. I would like to think he finally found peace, but given his involvement with the occult, I don't expect the best of outcomes.
Ed John's tales of mysterious beings trying to invade his home remind me of Brenton Sawin's stories about Deros invading homes and torturing people. I don't know that the things that do that are Deros. To the best of my knowledge they don't leave the underworld (due to Ray Guards) except by accident but I could be very wrong. Then again, they can and do project images and ideas into the minds of surface dwellers.
Re: Phenomena of the Mendocino Mountains
Full text of Ed John's letter.
Sirs :
In writing to you this is something new to me as I have never written to any publication before ex-
cept for contest reasons only.
I have enjoyed your stories for many years as I have read Amazing since the first issue back in
1928 if I remember right.
During all that period of time the stories were very good with so few duds that they were not
worth worrying about. Until friend Shaver climbed into the picture. Now his stories are very interest-
ing but the fact remains that maybe there is something back of his origin that should be in-
vestigated. Now don't misunderstand me, I enjoy his writing very much but I think that it is best
to leave sleeping wolves alone unless you have a good gun and can use same fast.
The thing that I am trying to say is that I think I can show you an entrance to this subteranean
city that he has written about several issues back.
Here is what happened to me and you may judge for yourself. In 1931 my mother and I took up a section of land as a cattle raising homestead from
the U. S. Government and naturally it was not a choice piece; first of all, no one before us was able to locate the land even with assistance of maps and the land office, but we are friendly people, so a person who turned out to be our nearest neighbor gave us some hints and as the place was
only six miles from his we stayed at his ranch until we built our house. Then we moved into our own and all in all we stayed there about two years before we quit; and now I will relate the things that caused Us to quit, which at the time I did not know much about, but since Mr. Shaver
wrote, now I know and marvel that we managed to stand two years without getting killed by the things from below.
As a note of interest I have had to use 30,000 rounds of ammunition in the period and perhaps
that is why we are still here. At night I would sit up fully dressed all night with a rifle in my
hands, ready, and an extra one by my side. In about five hours after dark I would hear things
moving outside the house and after a while something would try to open the door quietly and I
would wait until I saw the knob turn, then let go a clip right through the door and then pull it
open and look around outside and there was nothing to be seen. After a couple of nights like that
that performance would stop and something new would be tried.
There are too many incidents to be told in one letter, the best one was the two disappearing auto-
mobiles, which happened at about ten at night over at the neighbor's place. It was as follows:
the neighbor and we were sitting on the porch after supper when he saw headlights come over the
hill to the fence then along the fence for about half a mile, then go out and that was all that
night. So next morning we went to the trail along the fence and there were tire tracks of seven inch
width tires and they went along the fence into the box canyon and right up against a smooth boulder
about 20 feet in diameter and ended there. Now the car could not turn around anywhere in that
place because the road is a trail five feet wide and one side is against our neighbor's fence, which
was not damaged and the other was a steep hill that no car could even make in compound low.
You know, we have a few mountains here, and as far as backing out I tried that myself in the day-
time with help and I could not steer a straight enough path without crossing my other marks so
they did not back out or we would have trailed them as my neighbor has lived around there since
1848 and he sure knew his tracking. We never did get an answer to the question of where did the
cars go.
The cars were very large and black and very
heavy and now that I compare them they were
about twenty years ahead of anything I had ever
seen anywhere and I bad worked in the auto busi-
ness for about five years before we took up the
land. They were silent, smooth, no wavering of
the lights and the trail is extremely rough; in
places it has hollows a yard deep, but these cars
went through at about 25 mph, and it would even
wreck a jeep to do that, so you figure it out and
let me know the answer if you can. By wavering
of lights, I mean that the beams were steady and
not flashing up and down as an ordinary car
would do when a rough road is traveled.
I have been away from there since 1933, but just
about three months ago, I drove through with a
friend for safety and my place is razed to the
ground and everything that was made by human
hand has been carried off even the old tin cans,
and the place would not be noticed unless you
knew where it was. The Coast and Geodotic sur-
vey had a marker near my house m the front
yard and even that is gone ; who would want to
take a concrete marker and carry it away?
Don't tell me about the lumber shortage, as
this place is near lumber camps and mills; and
other abandoned houses still stand In the valley,
but they are thirty miles away and safe from the
things. By near lumber, I mean within 50 miles
radius.
Characteristics of the vicinity are one ! no wind;
two : silence. You can hear your heart beat and
after two weeks, you can hear insects running on
the ground. Three: Forest fires will not burn
there. They burnt 250,000 acres, then burnt all
around this area; and that stopped the forest
rangers. They never could understand because
most of it la on the slope of a mountain and it
should have gone, but they say that the wind
came down and blew from the top down and
blew North, South, East and West at once and
that was the only time that the wind ever blew
there.
Also you can detect an atmosphere of fear
within 30 miles of the area and you will not get
a statement frorn anyone who lives around there
and the people in the valleys are afraid of the
people in the hills. One farmer erected 20 foot
high barbed wire fences and a heavy gate across
the road that leads to njy old place. The gate
would take a tank to knock down, so maybe
there is something there, after all.
It is located 110 miles north of San Francisco
in Mendocino county and is directly on the old
Pieta toll road that ran between Hopland and
Lakeport in Lake county of which Clear Lake is
quite a summer resort. If you care to look it up
on a map get a good auto road map and look due
south off the road midway between towns and you
will note an area with no roads bounded by
Sonoma Lake and lower Mendocino counties and
there it is. If you wish to go there, be sure that
enough people know where you went. Maybe
they will be able to find you. There have been
several disappearances along that stretch of road,
even trucks have vanished. All the U. S. Gov-
ernment's.
The U. S. Government has noted the area as
rough, unsurveyable and UNEXPLORED. Be-
fore you visit the area please let me know and I
will assist you in every way possible, but don't
take any unnecessary chances if you do go. I have
a '41 Dodge and I could not make the road to
my neighbor's ranch. The car would not make the
turns and the engine did not have enough power
to pull the hill, so I do not know as to whether
be is alive or not. I inquired at the nearest habita-
tion about 15 miles, and they did not know him,
as they have only been there six months, so I am
none the wiser.
Personally I do not care to go near the place,
but If there is some way of driving the things
out I would help if I can so that someone else
could live there safely.
I have tried to interest many people into in-
vestigating this, but even the government is help-
less as you well know, as far as this goes. Also I
forgot to mention there is a cave on the property
that has steps leading down and there is no sound
when a rock is thrown in. I have never seen It,
but I understand that it is there. To give you
an idea, if you leave the road 100 yards, it takes
two minutes and it will take you two hours to
climb back 100 yards.
One final thing: any plane that attempts to fly over it crashes and I think that the P.A.A. clipper that crashed up there accidentally flew over this
area, then the motors went dead, that was all. It happened in 1939; since then P.A.A. gave up Clear
Lake as an emergency field.
Also, several people have died of heart failure and some have gone insane, I found out later.
I think the thing that saved us was the fact that I am not surprised at anything and that I
am very quick to shoot and I can shoot without sighting and by ear and not having the thought of
shooting fixed so that the things would be warned.
After that place, I was able to outshoot U. S. Marine sharpshooters. I tried competing in a
match and I just never missed any target at any range. If I could see it, I could hit it, 5 out of 5.
I have tried practice machine guns at plane models and I hit 3 out of 5 at speeds up to 700 mph
scale without using the sights. So the old ranch gave me something worthwhile after all.
Due to my physical condition, I cannot get into any armed forces, so that talent is wasted, for you see I have a bad leg and cannot walk more than a
mile at a time. Since I left the ranch I have been in the radio business and have not owned a gun
since '34, because as long as I stay away from there I don't need one. Also not changing the
subject, but I have run across a person who is not from this earth, and while I can't get him
to admit it, I have found many evidences that point to the fact he came here from a planet that
has tropics and a polar ice cap nest to each other with no temperate zone and he knows radio per-
fectly, but earns his living by going to sea as a desk officer, and some day I will trip him up and
get him to admit it ; up to now I have had very little success.
Hoping to hear from you if possible, and if you print this, okay, but no help for curious public.
But if you know of someone capable in the vicinity, have them get in touch with me and I will
give more details.
Edward John,
475 Fell Street,
San Francisco 2, Calif.
P.S. Tell brother Shaver that the things' influ-
ence extends as far as ISO miles and not 25 as he
said in his story. The only safety is to lose your-
self In a city and they can't pick your thoughts
out, but stay away from cleared areas such as
flying fields. I found this out by experience.
Here is a definite lead on just the sort of thing
that Mr. Shaver insists exists. The directions are
specific, and it is possible that some of our more
adventurous readers who live near -would like to
do a little scouting. If we got any sort of con-
firmation, we might decide to do something about
it. However, we warn that the danger is very real.
It is our intention to investigate this and a dozen
other places as best we can. Organized expedi-
tions are enormously expensive, and this cannot be
done until we have a positive lead. Wherever pos-
sible, your editor and friends are making personal
investigations.
How many more of our readers have the guts to give us a straight steer on possible entrances to caves?— Ed.
Sirs :
In writing to you this is something new to me as I have never written to any publication before ex-
cept for contest reasons only.
I have enjoyed your stories for many years as I have read Amazing since the first issue back in
1928 if I remember right.
During all that period of time the stories were very good with so few duds that they were not
worth worrying about. Until friend Shaver climbed into the picture. Now his stories are very interest-
ing but the fact remains that maybe there is something back of his origin that should be in-
vestigated. Now don't misunderstand me, I enjoy his writing very much but I think that it is best
to leave sleeping wolves alone unless you have a good gun and can use same fast.
The thing that I am trying to say is that I think I can show you an entrance to this subteranean
city that he has written about several issues back.
Here is what happened to me and you may judge for yourself. In 1931 my mother and I took up a section of land as a cattle raising homestead from
the U. S. Government and naturally it was not a choice piece; first of all, no one before us was able to locate the land even with assistance of maps and the land office, but we are friendly people, so a person who turned out to be our nearest neighbor gave us some hints and as the place was
only six miles from his we stayed at his ranch until we built our house. Then we moved into our own and all in all we stayed there about two years before we quit; and now I will relate the things that caused Us to quit, which at the time I did not know much about, but since Mr. Shaver
wrote, now I know and marvel that we managed to stand two years without getting killed by the things from below.
As a note of interest I have had to use 30,000 rounds of ammunition in the period and perhaps
that is why we are still here. At night I would sit up fully dressed all night with a rifle in my
hands, ready, and an extra one by my side. In about five hours after dark I would hear things
moving outside the house and after a while something would try to open the door quietly and I
would wait until I saw the knob turn, then let go a clip right through the door and then pull it
open and look around outside and there was nothing to be seen. After a couple of nights like that
that performance would stop and something new would be tried.
There are too many incidents to be told in one letter, the best one was the two disappearing auto-
mobiles, which happened at about ten at night over at the neighbor's place. It was as follows:
the neighbor and we were sitting on the porch after supper when he saw headlights come over the
hill to the fence then along the fence for about half a mile, then go out and that was all that
night. So next morning we went to the trail along the fence and there were tire tracks of seven inch
width tires and they went along the fence into the box canyon and right up against a smooth boulder
about 20 feet in diameter and ended there. Now the car could not turn around anywhere in that
place because the road is a trail five feet wide and one side is against our neighbor's fence, which
was not damaged and the other was a steep hill that no car could even make in compound low.
You know, we have a few mountains here, and as far as backing out I tried that myself in the day-
time with help and I could not steer a straight enough path without crossing my other marks so
they did not back out or we would have trailed them as my neighbor has lived around there since
1848 and he sure knew his tracking. We never did get an answer to the question of where did the
cars go.
The cars were very large and black and very
heavy and now that I compare them they were
about twenty years ahead of anything I had ever
seen anywhere and I bad worked in the auto busi-
ness for about five years before we took up the
land. They were silent, smooth, no wavering of
the lights and the trail is extremely rough; in
places it has hollows a yard deep, but these cars
went through at about 25 mph, and it would even
wreck a jeep to do that, so you figure it out and
let me know the answer if you can. By wavering
of lights, I mean that the beams were steady and
not flashing up and down as an ordinary car
would do when a rough road is traveled.
I have been away from there since 1933, but just
about three months ago, I drove through with a
friend for safety and my place is razed to the
ground and everything that was made by human
hand has been carried off even the old tin cans,
and the place would not be noticed unless you
knew where it was. The Coast and Geodotic sur-
vey had a marker near my house m the front
yard and even that is gone ; who would want to
take a concrete marker and carry it away?
Don't tell me about the lumber shortage, as
this place is near lumber camps and mills; and
other abandoned houses still stand In the valley,
but they are thirty miles away and safe from the
things. By near lumber, I mean within 50 miles
radius.
Characteristics of the vicinity are one ! no wind;
two : silence. You can hear your heart beat and
after two weeks, you can hear insects running on
the ground. Three: Forest fires will not burn
there. They burnt 250,000 acres, then burnt all
around this area; and that stopped the forest
rangers. They never could understand because
most of it la on the slope of a mountain and it
should have gone, but they say that the wind
came down and blew from the top down and
blew North, South, East and West at once and
that was the only time that the wind ever blew
there.
Also you can detect an atmosphere of fear
within 30 miles of the area and you will not get
a statement frorn anyone who lives around there
and the people in the valleys are afraid of the
people in the hills. One farmer erected 20 foot
high barbed wire fences and a heavy gate across
the road that leads to njy old place. The gate
would take a tank to knock down, so maybe
there is something there, after all.
It is located 110 miles north of San Francisco
in Mendocino county and is directly on the old
Pieta toll road that ran between Hopland and
Lakeport in Lake county of which Clear Lake is
quite a summer resort. If you care to look it up
on a map get a good auto road map and look due
south off the road midway between towns and you
will note an area with no roads bounded by
Sonoma Lake and lower Mendocino counties and
there it is. If you wish to go there, be sure that
enough people know where you went. Maybe
they will be able to find you. There have been
several disappearances along that stretch of road,
even trucks have vanished. All the U. S. Gov-
ernment's.
The U. S. Government has noted the area as
rough, unsurveyable and UNEXPLORED. Be-
fore you visit the area please let me know and I
will assist you in every way possible, but don't
take any unnecessary chances if you do go. I have
a '41 Dodge and I could not make the road to
my neighbor's ranch. The car would not make the
turns and the engine did not have enough power
to pull the hill, so I do not know as to whether
be is alive or not. I inquired at the nearest habita-
tion about 15 miles, and they did not know him,
as they have only been there six months, so I am
none the wiser.
Personally I do not care to go near the place,
but If there is some way of driving the things
out I would help if I can so that someone else
could live there safely.
I have tried to interest many people into in-
vestigating this, but even the government is help-
less as you well know, as far as this goes. Also I
forgot to mention there is a cave on the property
that has steps leading down and there is no sound
when a rock is thrown in. I have never seen It,
but I understand that it is there. To give you
an idea, if you leave the road 100 yards, it takes
two minutes and it will take you two hours to
climb back 100 yards.
One final thing: any plane that attempts to fly over it crashes and I think that the P.A.A. clipper that crashed up there accidentally flew over this
area, then the motors went dead, that was all. It happened in 1939; since then P.A.A. gave up Clear
Lake as an emergency field.
Also, several people have died of heart failure and some have gone insane, I found out later.
I think the thing that saved us was the fact that I am not surprised at anything and that I
am very quick to shoot and I can shoot without sighting and by ear and not having the thought of
shooting fixed so that the things would be warned.
After that place, I was able to outshoot U. S. Marine sharpshooters. I tried competing in a
match and I just never missed any target at any range. If I could see it, I could hit it, 5 out of 5.
I have tried practice machine guns at plane models and I hit 3 out of 5 at speeds up to 700 mph
scale without using the sights. So the old ranch gave me something worthwhile after all.
Due to my physical condition, I cannot get into any armed forces, so that talent is wasted, for you see I have a bad leg and cannot walk more than a
mile at a time. Since I left the ranch I have been in the radio business and have not owned a gun
since '34, because as long as I stay away from there I don't need one. Also not changing the
subject, but I have run across a person who is not from this earth, and while I can't get him
to admit it, I have found many evidences that point to the fact he came here from a planet that
has tropics and a polar ice cap nest to each other with no temperate zone and he knows radio per-
fectly, but earns his living by going to sea as a desk officer, and some day I will trip him up and
get him to admit it ; up to now I have had very little success.
Hoping to hear from you if possible, and if you print this, okay, but no help for curious public.
But if you know of someone capable in the vicinity, have them get in touch with me and I will
give more details.
Edward John,
475 Fell Street,
San Francisco 2, Calif.
P.S. Tell brother Shaver that the things' influ-
ence extends as far as ISO miles and not 25 as he
said in his story. The only safety is to lose your-
self In a city and they can't pick your thoughts
out, but stay away from cleared areas such as
flying fields. I found this out by experience.
Here is a definite lead on just the sort of thing
that Mr. Shaver insists exists. The directions are
specific, and it is possible that some of our more
adventurous readers who live near -would like to
do a little scouting. If we got any sort of con-
firmation, we might decide to do something about
it. However, we warn that the danger is very real.
It is our intention to investigate this and a dozen
other places as best we can. Organized expedi-
tions are enormously expensive, and this cannot be
done until we have a positive lead. Wherever pos-
sible, your editor and friends are making personal
investigations.
How many more of our readers have the guts to give us a straight steer on possible entrances to caves?— Ed.
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