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Prolonged Fasting

Post by Ye Admin » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:24 pm

I am on day 31 of that Dr. Berg diet and lost 26 pounds so far. Imagine if I had been aware that I didn't need to meet a fat requirement. I'm going to just try and fast from now on. I lost interest in food after the first week and only crave food after having nutritional yeast, wheatgrass juice powder and electrolyte powder (because of the Stevia in them). Starting today the only thing that goes into my coffee is two drops of liquid Sucralose. I tried it like that today and got used to it a lot faster than I thought I would. 76 pounds left till ideal weight.

I'm not sure what I need in order to do this, but I think I can stick to the electrolyte powder. The wheatgrass juice powder might be quackery but it's only 8 calories so it can't be too terrible. The nutritional yeast is troublesome because it tastes just like parmesan cheese and gets me thinking about food when I shouldn't be.

Anyway, here is where I am at:
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Re: Prolonged Fasting

Post by aeon » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:11 pm

https://coach.nine.com.au/2016/04/06/17 ... ver-a-year

https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/t ... -21-stone/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... 5-0056.pdf

He did not eat any food, but the staff gave him yeast for the first 10 months and multi-vitamins every day. Potassium is essential for the proper working of the heart, and when his potassium levels got a little low around the 100-day mark, he was given potassium tablets for about 70 days.

http://www.zoeharcombe.com/the-knowledg ... ely-wrong/

http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2015/03/worr ... r-statins/

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Post by Ye Admin » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:59 am

I'm familiar with the Angus Barbieri story, it's really amazing and obviously not typical. But it shows it can be done.

I'm on day two of my 72 hour fast. I'm not sure how you find out if you're fat adapted as my keto sticks still show ketones.

Today I started adding Vitamin D (so I don't go the way of the Dero), 10,000IU. But I ordered a better quality capsule that has also K2 and coconut oil.

Right now I'm doing this:

Coffee, with Sucralose drops.
Dr. Berg's Electrolyte Powder 3 times a day
Dr. Berg Wheatgrass Juice Powder (8 calories, one teaspoon)
Nutritional yeast, 1 teaspoon (10 calories)
Vitamin D

Dr. Ken Berry says sweeteners provoke an insulin response and should not be used in fasting. Other sources seem to say that is not true.

The science behind autophagy is confusing to me, because if you burn body fat for fuel you're only burning 150g per day. So to lose my remaining weight I'd have to fast for 226 days. That seems like a long time, considering I lost 27 pounds in a little over a month.

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Post by Ye Admin » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:06 pm

For entertaining purposes, Cole Robinson.
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At 4:10 he says water fasting is useless because if you're digesting water you're not fasting. I cracked up laughing...

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Re: Prolonged Fasting

Post by aeon » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:59 pm

Any insulin spike from artificial sweetener would be insignificant compared to sugar seems to me. They say it takes two weeks on keto before the brain can use maximum ketones. They say some people continue to spill ketones while fasting while others don't register after a week. I have done three 21 day water fasts over the years. Every time I lost water weight of about 8 pounds after I burned off the glycogen stores. I think the heavier you are the more salt and cellular debris you have stored in bone, organs and fat cells. As the salt is flushed away you also lose all that water weight. Weight loss tends to slow after the first month.

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http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2014/06/the- ... r-lose-it/

So, let me understand this, the people on the 600 calorie-a-day deficit (the NICE recommendation) were 5 kilograms (11 pounds) lighter than those not doing this “at 12 months.” Applying the basic maths formula, these 12 people should each have lost 600*365/3,500 = 62.57 pounds of fat. Not an ounce (of fat) more or less. AND, there should have been no range of results – everyone should have lost exactly the same (that’s what happens with a mathematical formula). The least anyone lost (let’s put it all into pounds) was 0.8 pounds and the most anyone lost was 17.2 pounds. Even the highest weight loss was 45 pounds lower than it should have been. This is also all about fat – we haven’t even started looking at muscle or water loss. This is also a study of 12 people. There are 1.1 billion overweight people in the world and we can’t prove a formula using 12 of them.

There were 15 other studies in Table 15.14, 10 of which had data for where a calorie deficit had been created over a specified period of time. This enabled me to analyse what the weight loss should have been (using the 3,500 formula) and what the average weight loss actually was (from the study data). Again, in every single study, there was a wide range of results (which means that the formula failed per se). In all of the other ten studies, the actual weight loss was multiples away from what the weight loss should have been. The smallest gap between actual weight loss and ‘should have happened’ weight loss (according to the formula) was 28.7 pounds (we continue to ignore water to try to give the formula a chance). At the other extreme, the biggest difference between the fat that should have been lost and the fat that was lost was 143.9 pounds.

Department of Health (DoH)

I was still digesting the immense implications of all this when the DoH reply arrived, on the 21 July, saying “The Department is unaware of the rationale behind the weight formula you refer to.” Pause for a second – the UK government Department of Health, has no idea where their founding piece of diet advice comes from. They kindly suggested another lead, (Dietitians in Obesity Management UK (DOM UK) – a specialist group of the British Dietetic Association), which I followed up on 24 July.

National Institute of Clinical Excellence (NICE)

I chased NICE on 27 July, as the 20 working days were ‘up’ in my calendar. I appeared to have been passed between NHS and NICE during July and a helpful woman called me back to say she had found the right department to deal with the query. A couple of days later, the reply came “Whilst our guidance does contain reference to studies involving 500 calorie deficit diets we do not hold any information about the rationale behind the statement ‘one pound of fat contains 3,500 calories, so to lose 1lb a week you need a deficit of 500 calories a day’.” That is to say – although we are an evidence based organization, we have no evidence.

http://foodmed.net/2016/04/cant-to-lose ... lains-why/


Myth No 1: Energy in equals energy out

Diet advisors love to say “energy in equals energy out”, and “you can’t change the”laws of the universe.” They clearly don’t know what the laws say.There are four laws of the universe. None says energy in equals energy out. Two laws can be ignored by the dieting world. Two need to be taken into account. The first essentially says energy can be changed from one form to another. The second notes that energy will be lost during the process of energy changing form (we boil the kettle, electricity heats the water and steam is lost in the process.) These “laws of the universe” are about energy, not weight. They were never intended to become fundamental principles of dieting. They have some relevance to dieting, but only when correctly applied, and when all the caveats are allowed for.

The first essentially says energy can be changed from one form to another. The second notes that energy will be lost during the process of energy changing form (we boil the kettle, electricity heats the water and steam is lost in the process.) These “laws of the universe” are about energy, not weight. They were never intended to become fundamental principles of dieting. They have some relevance to dieting, but only when correctly applied, and when all the caveats are allowed for.

These “laws of the universe” are about energy, not weight. They were never intended to become fundamental principles of dieting. They have some relevance to dieting, but only when correctly applied, and when all the caveats are allowed for.

Myth No 2: Eating less will make you weigh less

Eating less will not make you weigh less. It is an almost universally held belief that people who are overweight just need to eat less and/or do more. The idea is based on so many underlying assumptions – none of which is true. The idea that if you eat 500 fewer calories the body will give up 500 calories of fat to make up the difference is the ultimate naivety in the world of dieting. The body is not a cash machine for fat.

Myth No 3: Doing more will make you weigh less

Doing more will not make you weigh less. Both the eating less and doing more beliefs make the massive and wrong assumption that the body is able to burn fat. The body can only burn fat when there is no glucose/glycogen available. Modern man rarely, if ever, allows his body to get to the state where it can burn its own fat – let alone will. Think about it: you lose your job, you don’t automatically dip into savings, you cut back on expenditure; the body does exactly the same.

Myth No 4: Weight gain is the result of too many calories in

Weight gain is from fat being stored, not too many calories in. Equally, weight loss is about fat lost, not fewer calories in. The perfect way to store fat is to eat carbohydrates. It’s the carbs that count, not the calories.

Myth No 5: One pound equals 3,500 calories

One pound does not equal 3,500 calories. One of the most commonly held diet myths is: “To lose one pound of fat you need to create a deficit of 3,500 calories”. It is actually worse than a myth – it is one of the cruellest lies we have told desperate dieters.

The myth that one pound equals 3,500 calories is wrong at every level. You will see this formula in government literature, in just about every diet book, in private health booklets and all over the Internet. The next time you see it, or hear it, ask where it comes from. You will not get an answer.

Myth No 6: Cholesterol will kill you

Cholesterol is life critical – not the bad guy in any way, shape or form. You would literally die without cholesterol. It is a key part of the structure for every cell in your body. Cholesterol is so vital that your body makes it, and cannot risk leaving it to chance that you would get it externally from somewhere. Statins stop the body from producing the cholesterol – they literally stop one of your fundamental body processes from being able to function.

One in 500 people has familial hypercholesterolemia, and may have a problem clearing cholesterol in their body (rather like type 1 diabetics who can’t return blood glucose levels to normal). For anyone else to be actively trying to lower their vital and life-affirming cholesterol levels is deeply troubling.

Myth No 7: There is GOOD cholesterol and BAD cholesterol

There is no such thing as good and bad cholesterol. The chemical formula for cholesterol is C27H46O. There is no molecular formula for a good version or a bad version. We must stop using such erroneous and emotive terminology

Obesity Epidemic Myth No 8:

You need to eat five-a-day fruit and veg

There is no basis for telling you to eat five-a-day. The pick-a-number-a-day campaign (it is not always five in each country) has spread across three continents and tens of countries. It has become the most well-known and promoted public health nutritional message ever. You would think, therefore, it was evidence-based and founded upon robust scientific knowledge. You would be wrong.

Five-a-day is a marketing campaign with no evidence; it is fuelling the obesity epidemic, rather than helping in any way whatsoever. If parents knew what researchers such as Dr Robert Lustig and Dr Richard Johnson know about fructose, they would never give children fruit juice again.

Myth No 9: Saturated fat causes heart disease

It does not. There are three facts I can state without any fear of being proven wrong: i) It has not been proven that saturated fat consumption causes heart disease; ii) It has not even been proven that there is a consistent association between saturated fat consumption and heart disease; iii) The definitive study to try to prove this has notbeen done and likely never will be.

You may like to read that again if you thought that the trial against saturated fat had even been opened, let alone closed.

Myth No 10: Fat clogs your arteries

Fat does not clog your arteries. If a juggernaut were travelling around the road transport system – which roads would clog up? The minor roads and country lanes would be impassable and the motorways would run with little disruption. Fat never clogs veins.

By a process of common sense, therefore, fat also never clogs arteries. It is a reasonable assertion that fat is not even travelling freely in the blood stream. Fat and water don’t mix, so, since blood is effectively water, fat cannot travel freely around the blood system.

Fat travels around in lipoproteins – along with cholesterol, protein and phospholipids. The idea that fat somehow leaps out of lipoproteins to attach itself to the arterial wall to try to clog up the system and kill you is ludicrous.

Myth No 11 – You must keep your blood sugar topped up, and eat little and often to achieve it

This is one of the maddest bits of advice. Every time you eat a carbohydrate, and your blood glucose levels rise, the body needs to release a substance called insulin (from the pancreas) to return your blood glucose levels to normal. Any “topping up” simply places a demand on the body to get the blood glucose levels back down again.

I believe this is one key reason for the explosion in type 2 diabetes. The body is asked to release insulin too much, too often and has no way of recognising some of the foreign substances we consume in modern man-made food.

Myth No 12 – Graze – eat little and often:

Do not graze, unless you are a cow, or want to be the size of one! This (advice) seems partly because of the nonsensical idea that you can or should keep blood glucose level topped up. I know not why else this advice would be given because it is one of the surest ways to fatten humans (or grazing animals).

Harcombe demolishes other myths, including that:

Meat is loaded with saturated fat – Meat is mainly unsaturated fat. I have yet to find a meat on the planet with more saturated than unsaturated fat – and I’ve checked whale, quail, chicken, beef, lamb, goose and all sorts. If dietitians know this, why are they not telling us? Dare I suggest that it doesn’t fit with the advice: “Don’t have bacon for breakfast – have a (sugary) cereal instead”?

Fruit is highly nutritious ­– It is not; fruit’s benefit has been massively over-hyped. Those who have studied nutrition are not surprised that (eating more fruit) has no impact on cancer, and would be surprised if it had any impact on any modern health condition.

Fructose (fruit sugar) is good for dieters – It is bad for dieters, more likely to make them fat. Having established that fruit is not that nutritious, it gets worse. Fructose, also known as fruit sugar, is being called the fattening carbohydrate in the world of obesity. It is uniquely metabolised by the liver, so it doesn’t get the chance to be used up as fuel in the blood stream – it goes straight to the liver where it can be turned into fat.

You must eat fibre – 25g to 30g of the stuff in fact – You need to know two things about fibre: i) Humans can’t digest fibre. So, how can something you can’t digest be so important for your health? and ii) Why on earth would you want to rush food through from the gut?

The majority of nutritional absorption takes place in the small intestine, so why would you want to speed up this process, and disturb the nutrients being absorbed? Don’t put nasty substances in the body (sugar and additives that accompany bran to make it palatable), and then you don’t need to rush nutritious, healthy food out of your digestive system.

Sedentary behaviour caused this obesity epidemic and exercise will cure it –Sedentary behaviour did not cause this obesity epidemic, and exercise won’t cure it. The UK government notes that exercise is only claimed to have a medium level of evidence for moderate preventative and therapeutic benefits for obesity – that is, the evidence is not strong for much benefit either as a prevention or a cure.

Also, the idea that man is naturally active is another myth. Man is as evolutionary disposed to being sedentary as to gathering food. What man would have done, and what we should do today, is natural activity – walk, talk, sing, dance, cook, clean and tend the land, not pump iron.

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Re: Prolonged Fasting

Post by Ye Admin » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:10 am

It's interesting how time flies when you obsess over the same thing every day. I'm on day 59 now and I haven't managed to "just fast" like I thought I would. Weekends are particularly hard because of family being around eating.

Last week the impossible happened. I cheated on the diet with some Glutino Oreos. I didn't immediately fall out of ketosis but the following night, I took my Lunesta and of course, it triggered sleep eating and guess what? I woke up the morning and the darn cookies were gone. And I was out of ketosis. Shouldn't have allowed the temptation into the house to begin with.

So that day I gained back like 4-5 pounds. I immediately began damage control. Ate a quarter pound of grilled steak fat yesterday, and had 10 ounces of bone broth, some nutritional yeast, drank that Dr. Berg wheatgrass juice powder drink, and began fasting. Now I'm going to try and see how long I last.

Keto sticks showing mild ketosis. Will drink only water with electrolytes and coffee with a few drops of liquid sucralose today.

Today's weight: 244.5 Lbs

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Re: Prolonged Fasting

Post by Ye Admin » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:44 pm

I'm on day 62 and all hell broke loose. The other night I took Lunesta and it made me go to the store down the block to buy Hawaiian Sweet Rolls. Before I started this diet, I was addicted to this thing.

I'd buy the 4 pack, put on a tablespoon of butter on each, stick the whole thing in the microwave for 30 seconds, and eat it every night to help me sleep. Hadn't done it in over two months.

Obviously I only had trace ketones in the ketosticks the following morning and am not feeling near as good as I used to before this incident.

Today's weight: 240.5 Lbs

Attempting to fast today, but not 100% sure.

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